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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 16, 2024 12:29:16 GMT
It gives it away to humans as well, but I can see that people would find it tedious to go through all 1,000 possibilities. The tedium can be reduced by choosing three-digit numbers that have some sort of significance. Although at this point non-UK players may be at a bit of a disadvantage.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 16, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
I googled "area code number glasgow" and got 0141, then "area code number liverpool" and got 0151 so I thought I was onto something. Maybe for whatever reason the leading 0 wasn't a big deal. But the pattern broke on my third try :/
This is the no-holds barred quizz so in theory I could write a script to try out the 1000 possibilities, but I actually don't know how to interact with a search engine through code, be it directly or by automating mouse clicks and keyboard strokes. And anyway, regardless of the rules, it would still feel like cheating. I'll continue trying to solve the puzzle by other means.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 17, 2024 13:43:56 GMT
More ChatGPT rubbish. Weirdly, it got close to the answer at one point, so I've deleted things that were too much of a clue. It's particularly daft at the end, when it insists on working 300 into things despite having just been told not to, and something being both the earliest and the 300th doesn't seem to upset it.
Was this the link you were looking for?
You said:
No. You keep finding things that are not unique to this set of places. This is something that can be said of only these six locations in the UK.
ChatGPT said:
Got it! I now understand that the connection is something very specific and unique to these locations alone. The link you're referring to is that Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown are all places that have a connection with [deleted]. Specifically, these locations were some of the first places in the UK to adopt and use [deleted] when it was introduced in [deleted].
[deleted] was rolled out in phases, and these locations were key early adopters or trial sites for the UK's [deleted]. So, the three-digit number connecting these locations is [deleted], in their historical significance to the UK's [deleted].
This would be a unique historical link between these specific places! Does this sound more like the answer?
You said:
You said that they were some of the first places. So you don't seem to have grasped the fact that this is unique to these six locations. Incidentally, [deleted] was launched in London.
ChatGPT said:
Apologies for the confusion! Let's refocus.
The unique link between Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown is that they are all locations in the UK associated with the Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) 300 club. Each of these locations has a football club or venue that hosted matches where UEFA recognized a significant milestone with 300 in attendance or similar significance.
Does that fit the connection you're thinking of?
You said:
We seem to be going backwards.
ChatGPT said:
Apologies once again for the confusion! Let's get back on track with a clearer approach.
The unique link between Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown is that they all have telephone dialing codes where the digits 028 are part of the geographic numbering system only within Northern Ireland and
[it just seemed to stop here]
You said:
I think you must have realised you were on a hiding to nothing there.
ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right! I can see why you'd be frustrated, and I appreciate your patience. Let's reset and tackle this properly.
You mentioned that the connection between Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown is linked to a three-digit number, and it's unique to these locations.
The answer you're referring to is likely that each of these places has a mainline railway station numbered "300" in the British Rail TOPS system, where each station or depot has a unique identification number within the system. This 300-series numbering is specific to key hubs within certain regions, which ties these locations together in a way that is exclusive to them.
Now, I’m curious — does this explanation hit the mark?
You said:
No. You came quite close to the solution with one of your answers, but rather missed the point.
ChatGPT said:
Thank you for your patience! Since I came close earlier, I believe the correct answer must relate to telephone area codes.
The connection is that Bangor (Wales), Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown all share a unique feature: their telephone area codes, when dialed from a mobile phone or from abroad, all start with the digits "028".
To clarify:
028 is the area code for Northern Ireland, and Portadown is a town in Northern Ireland.
However, in all other cases (Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, and Nottingham), their actual area codes appear to begin with something else locally, but when called from abroad, they share the same "028" dialing pattern.
This shared feature of having a telephone code starting with "028" is unique to these six locations, hence the three-digit number connection.
Does this solve the mystery?
You said:
Stop with the area codes.
ChatGPT said:
Thank you for your patience! Let’s finally solve this properly. The correct link between Bangor (Wales), Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown is that they are the only six locations in the UK that have a London North Eastern Railway (LNER) locomotive numbered 300 named after them.
These locomotives carried the numbers corresponding to these locations, making it a unique connection specific to these places and the three-digit number 300. This is a historical association through the railways.
Does this match the answer you're thinking of?
You said:
Get back to [deleted]. But they weren't the first places [deleted] was used.
ChatGPT said:
Ah, now I see the real connection! The link between Bangor (Wales), Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown is that these six locations were the 300th [deleted] in their regions to adopt [deleted]
This is what ties them together with the three-digit number [deleted] — they were specifically the 300th [deleted] where [deleted], a unique and significant milestone for each of these locations.
You said:
You don't know the answer, do you?
ChatGPT said:
You're right — I haven't figured it out yet. I truly appreciate your patience!
Would you mind sharing the solution, or offering one last hint? I'd love to learn what the correct answer is!
You said:
What's your obsession with 300? You keep trying to work it into everything. Without any relationship to objective reality as we know it.
ChatGPT said:
You're absolutely right to point that out! I did get stuck in a "300" rabbit hole there, and I really appreciate you calling me out on it. Let's drop all that and focus on getting this right.
The correct answer is that these locations—Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown—were among the first towns and cities in the UK to adopt [deleted]. However, what makes them uniquely connected is that they were the 300th [deleted] in their respective regions to implement the service.
I promise, this is the right one!
You said:
They were the first and also the 300th? How does that work?
ChatGPT said:
I owe you a proper explanation and a clear conclusion. Apologies for the confusion so far!
The correct link between Bangor, Dundee, Glasgow, Liverpool, Nottingham, and Portadown is that they were the 300th [deleted] in their respective regions to implement the [deleted].
Thank you for guiding me!
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 17, 2024 13:53:49 GMT
I don't actually know whether the six locations were the first to adopt [deleted], after London, and it isn't easy to find the information online. I did find out that Glasgow was the second place. If the others were next in line, it might provide some explanation for the actual answer.
The most interesting things about this question is that it is resistant to easy googling, and that it makes a monkey out of ChatGPT. The answer itself is rather dull.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 17, 2024 16:13:06 GMT
The "Sorry! Here's the correct answer" thing is weird. We knew ChatGPT had a difficult relationship with reality, but this almost seems neurotic.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 17, 2024 16:43:14 GMT
I'm reminded of what a friend of mine said maybe a quarter of a century ago now, and which I've probably quoted before: 'We may not have invented artificial intelligence, but we've certainly invented artificial stupidity.'
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Post by terentiusfaber on Sept 19, 2024 20:42:34 GMT
Well, it's not toilet paper. That would knock Dundee out straightaway. They're still using the Sunday Post. I'll guess postal codes.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 20, 2024 22:04:30 GMT
Are they all associated with the same 3-digit number, or is what makes them unique the fact that they're associated with 3-digit numbers (as opposed to say 4-digit numbers, or no number of this kind at all)?
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 21, 2024 7:07:15 GMT
The same three-digit number. Which has nothing to do with postal codes, geographical dialling codes, trains or any other form of transport.
As I've said, the number itself is more likely to suggest itself to someone based in the UK, but the answer itself is probably no easier to find. I don't think even people who live in the locations are likely to know the answer. Maybe someone in Bangor would have an advantage, because there are only about 16,000 people there, which increases the chances of people either being connected to the answer or knowing someone who is. But the tangentially connected wouldn't necessarily know the other five locations, because, as I've said, it's a very dull question.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 21, 2024 7:08:16 GMT
Also, I've edited something out of my exchange with ChatGPT that shouldn't have been left in, but nobody noticed.
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Post by terentiusfaber on Sept 21, 2024 19:41:02 GMT
Do they all contain parliamentary constituencies which were occupied by Winston Churchill?
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 22, 2024 8:26:34 GMT
It is far, far less interesting. It's so dull that I'm afraid of being lynched when you find out the answer.
I used it because I was intrigued that it didn't appear to be googlable without a bit of extra work, unlike most facts nowadays. But if nobody wants to try to find it via google, it's probably close to impossible to guess. Maybe a bog-standard quiz thread would have had more success, since we're all honourable in such matters.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 22, 2024 10:20:29 GMT
To be clear, I for one am under no impression the answer is interesting in itself. That's not what this thread is for.
Does the number have something to do with telecommunications? You've ruled out dialling numbers, but it could be something else.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 22, 2024 10:59:34 GMT
Specifically, I've ruled out geographical dialling codes, like 020 for London or 0151 for Liverpool.
And yes, it does.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 22, 2024 16:54:46 GMT
Incidentally, and to be as dull as the answer to the question, the codes have changed quite a few times over the past 35 years. For decades, London was 01, as you'd expect of a capital city. There was even a TV programme called 01 for London, which ended in 1992. By which time the number had been replaced by 071 and 081. These were subsequently succeeded by 0171 and 0181, which then yielded to 020(7) and 020(8). Signpainters must have made a mint.
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