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Post by kizolk on Oct 1, 2024 20:27:54 GMT
Or the other way around since Simon's song predates Cabrel's by 5 years.
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Post by kizolk on Oct 1, 2024 20:34:19 GMT
... but speaking of being too polite to say things, it's "Le MoribOnd", by the way  |
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Post by kizolk on Oct 1, 2024 20:34:51 GMT
I overcame my politness, please clap.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Oct 1, 2024 21:17:21 GMT
Bugger, I did actually know that, but automatic typing took over.
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Post by kizolk on Oct 2, 2024 4:13:41 GMT
"Le Moribund" gets a few Google hits, including some from YouTube. I thought that if someone took the trouble of uploading a song, they should know how it was called/spelled, so maybe the song was known under this name/spelling in Anglophone countries. It wouldn't have made it any more correct, but it could have been an excuse.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Oct 2, 2024 10:17:45 GMT
It isn't. But hey, English on this point is closer to Latin.
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Post by kizolk on Oct 2, 2024 17:45:47 GMT
Yes, and I'm guessing Old French was too. Wiktionary says the English word comes from (modern) French "moribond", but I wouldn't be surprised if the spelling "moribund" was used in Old French. Then again, everybody wrote the language as they saw fit back in the day, so there's a lot of things that wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by kizolk on Oct 19, 2024 19:57:23 GMT
One of my oldest musical memories is of a song I hated then. It was Pascal Obispo's breakthrough song.
Today I quite like the song, and in fact have developed a general liking for Pascal Obispo. I'm of the opinion he's one of our best melodists, but then again: what is a good melody? My brother for instance thinks the melody of the verses of the above song is all over the place and pointless. I can definitely see what he means and yet I disagree. Yes, it wanders a lot, but Obispo has an idea where he's going and I'm following him.
I would say this much: he's showing off a bit. It's a young man's song -- a talented young man IMO, but perhaps he should've been told that less was more, sometimes. It's far from being my favorite song by him, or my favorite melody of his, though. This one might be closer to it:
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Oct 20, 2024 22:17:13 GMT
Now that's a question. But in that song it's not the melody that's the hook, is it? It's the rhythm. Musicos, or at least the ones I know, are often scornful of what they call choons. I admit to being a philistine in this regard. |
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Post by kizolk on Oct 21, 2024 4:18:50 GMT
But in that song it's not the melody that's the hook, is it? It's the rhythm. I think you're right, at least if you're talking about the verses. Although having an interesting rhythm is part of my definition for a good melody. Musicos, or at least the ones I know, are often scornful of what they call choons. Are you (or they) using it in the sense of "catchy song"? Most of my musician friends can't stand Obispo. Then again most of them are into metal almost exclusively, so it's no wonder his catchy pop isn't to their taste. |
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Post by kizolk on Oct 21, 2024 15:55:35 GMT
Although having an interesting rhythm is part of my definition for a good melody. Actually no. It's definitely a plus, but it's not part of my definition; there are melodies I find amazing, and yet they're rhythmically boring. One artist I've often heard described as a great or the greatest melodist is David Bowie. Me, I tend to find his melodies a bit convoluted. More generally, I love "Ashes to Ashes" and I had a phase when I kept listening to two of his albums in my teens, but overall, I find his music hard to approach. |
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Post by kizolk on Nov 23, 2024 22:46:05 GMT
Now that we've established that /i(ː)/ was one of the good phonemes, let me present to you a great assonantic (?) verse by Leeroy of the Saïan Supa Crew, a French rap band mostly active in the early 2000's. There was a general openness to their music (avoidance of well-known "ghetto life" tropes, interest in various musical styles, they didn't take themselves too seriously unlike most French rap bands of the time, etc.), but also great technical mastery. I love this song but the first two verses stand out IMO, and in particular, Leeroy's, starting around 0:43. Here's his first sentence. Spoilered, because it's more fun if you first try to catch what he's saying yourself. The SSC was noted for its mastery in the art of confusing the listener. {Spoiler}Bientôt le 7 février 2002
Temps maussade, immonde, humide et hideux
Ciel gris vide
Mais il ne se méfie de rien
Puis on l'appelle en ville Most of his verse is fair game; I only wish he hadn't added an "e" as the end of "virus", but oh well. Another thing I love about that song is the sampling skills. The crazy piano thing. It comes from a recording of a the Jazz standard "My Funny Valentine" by two obscure Japanese jazzmen. Timestamped: It genuinely amazes me that someone heard this and thought "wow it would make for a great sample!!" They completely re-/de-structured it, sped it up, added a beat, a bass line and sprinkled some cello for good measure, and something new was born. This is what sampling should be, that's where it can live as a legitimate form of artistic expression. |
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Post by kizolk on Nov 23, 2024 22:53:24 GMT
Most of his verse is fair game; I only wish he hadn't added an "e" as the end of "virus", but oh well. Well, of course it depends on your level of tolerance. The -deux/-de thing in the first lines, "rien" pronounced as two syllables, etc. To me they're completely okay in rap/word play, but "virus-e" feels more like a mistake than poetic licence. |
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