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Post by terentiusfaber on Sept 26, 2024 21:48:28 GMT
I'll certainly have plenty books with me! My plan is to read every time I wake up. ;-)
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 27, 2024 8:51:07 GMT
Enjoy, but I hope you do manage to get internet access. The thought of a month without the internet bothers me. The fact that this thought bothers me bothers me.
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Post by terentiusfaber on Sept 27, 2024 19:28:14 GMT
No internet is a disadvantage, but on the plus side, there's almost no mobile phone coverage either! Happy! Happy! Happy!
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 27, 2024 20:51:45 GMT
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Post by Pacifica on Sept 28, 2024 8:13:36 GMT
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Post by kizolk on Sept 28, 2024 9:03:17 GMT
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Post by Pacifica on Sept 28, 2024 9:24:08 GMT
Yeah, I've seen that one before.
"press accounts agree that the original painting was artistically unremarkable"
I often wonder how you judge that a work like this—which is obviously at least technically good—is artistically unremarkable. I've seen little-known paintings that, to me, don't seem inferior to some more famous ones (which are presumably deemed remarkable). But of course I'm no expert.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 28, 2024 20:29:00 GMT
I often wonder how you judge that a work like this—which is obviously at least technically good—is artistically unremarkable. I've seen little-known paintings that, to me, don't seem inferior to some more famous ones (which are presumably deemed remarkable). I think that's a problem with professional criticism in general. By which I mean the profession of (art, music, movie) critics. I appreciate what they do among other things because being able to put one's feelings about a work of art into words is an impressive skill IMO, but it also comes with a certain blindness, or a very selective vision to put it more charitably: they tend to see things through the lens of technique and history of the art they're interested in, and perhaps sometimes overlook the intrinsic merits of the work of art they're criticizing. I can appreciate (to a limited extent) the technical feat that's the Mona Lisa, but at the end of the day, I've got way better things to look at even if they don't feature sfumato and were made in the 21th century. But of course there's the question of personal tastes. Whatever rocks their boat. |
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Post by kizolk on Sept 28, 2024 20:32:08 GMT
That said, while I tend to disagree with mainstream art and music critics, I pretty consistently find myself agreeing with mainstream movie critics. I found most of the movies I've watched that were presented as some of the greatest movies in history to be actually very good.
E.g. I don't care much about Michelangelo and Mozart, but Citizen Kane is a great movie. Maybe I'm just a deeply 20-21st century guy.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 28, 2024 20:56:41 GMT
There's probably a thread in this: art (in the widest sense) that is supposed to be great but which you just don't get.
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Post by Etaoin Shrdlu on Sept 28, 2024 20:59:54 GMT
There might also be a parallel thread: art that's considered crap, at least by established critics, but which you quite like. I can see more problems with that one, though.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 28, 2024 21:02:26 GMT
I like both ideas, and would probably have things to say that pertain to both categories.
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Post by terentiusfaber on Sept 28, 2024 21:35:34 GMT
I often wonder how you judge that a work like this—which is obviously at least technically good—is artistically unremarkable. I've seen little-known paintings that, to me, don't seem inferior to some more famous ones (which are presumably deemed remarkable). Whatever rocks their boat. Constructive criticism warning: Did you mean, 'Whatever floats your boat'? Rocking the boat is very different. |
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Post by terentiusfaber on Sept 28, 2024 21:37:04 GMT
As for artistic taste, I don't understand anything about it. If I like it, I like it, but dissecting why is beyond me. I think I'm a utilitarian at heart.
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Post by kizolk on Sept 28, 2024 23:04:09 GMT
Constructive criticism warning: Did you mean, 'Whatever floats your boat'? Rocking the boat is very different. Now I wonder if I've seen it used in the sense of "whatever floats your boat" often enough that I picked it up as is, or if I simply confused the two expressions myself. A quick search tells me that at least some people do this, but I don't know how common it is. In any case, thanks for the correction, and you should never hesitate to engage in constructive criticism when it comes to me! As for artistic taste, I don't understand anything about it. If I like it, I like it, but dissecting why is beyond me. I think I'm a utilitarian at heart. My analytical mind enjoys dissection, but yeah in the end what matters most is my spontaneous reaction to a work. That's why I'm not a fan of contemporary art: too much intellectualization, often to the detriment of the pleasure of the senses. |
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